Sunday, 24 November 2024

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One of the most long-term commenters on this blog asked me recently, in effect, "Hey, where'd everybody go?" Which is a good question. The number of comments on this and most other blogs has fallen off considerably in recent times, and it's worth pondering why. But if this is not a question that interests you, then move along: nothing to see here. Something more to your liking will be along soon, I'm sure.

So: it has never been the case that every post on this blog has stimulated a response from my honoured and respected readers, but once upon a time the ones that did could sometimes accumulate quite a long tail of lively commentary. This has been one of the more rewarding aspects of writing a blog, and I always try to make a worthwhile response to anyone who has taken the trouble to comment. We never did get into the extraordinary length and depth of the comments on, say, Language Hat (no relation) [Oh, do stop it, Mike – they know you don't do that blog! Ed.], but, on the other hand, neither was I plagued by the numerous inanely phatic comments that other blogs seemed to attract like flies.

Such comments as do appear here I "moderate" – sadly, this doesn't mean I can edit comments (wouldn't that be fun?), merely choose whether or not to make them public – but I rarely suppress them, even when things veer off topic or get testy; it's all part of the game. Sometimes, I even used to find myself writing a piece in order to provoke a response from one or other of the more frequent commenters. Or, in the case of my old and now late friend Tony (who commented as "Zouk Delors"), carefully stepping around certain issues that I knew would trigger his less, um, reconstructed attitudes and sensitivities.

So here are the stats Blogger provides for a seven day stretch (I started writing this on 21st November, but any recent seven days would do): 


Now, the comment figures are accurate, but the viewing figures are inflated by passing robots and in-and-out ricochets from people looking for something that they didn't find (most likely camera-gear chat). I'd say you could safely knock off at least 1000 or so as fakes and "false drops". So, from about 750 more-or-less meaningful views over those seven days – which is perfectly respectable by my standards – only eight comments were left, and those were from just two readers, doubled by my replies. Which indicates not so much a fall-off in readers, as is only to be expected in Ye Olde Blogge Worlde, as a dramatic decline in the urge to comment. Which is more interesting, no?

There can certainly be problems with leaving a comment on a Blogger blog, which doesn't help. Blogger is a free service from Google, which inevitably means you get what you get, whether you want it or not. For a start, in order to fend off the spammers and click-baiters I have to require commenters to hold an active Google account, which is obviously a barrier to many. Then, quite regularly new tweaks and "features" are introduced without warning which often disrupt the smooth functioning of a blog, most often from the creator's point of view, but which also affect readers. Lately, for example, I notice that the header text setting out my comment moderation policy has vanished. More troubling, though, is when I hear from fully-qualified would-be commenters who say that they tried but failed to leave a comment, and I imagine that for every one of those heroes of perseverance, there are several who think, sod it, who cares? I'm pretty sure I would, too.

In fact, the majority of comments I get these days are private communications from people on my email list, almost entirely actual friends who seem to need a direct prod in the mailbox to be persuaded to read my rantings. Again, this was something I had to set up myself when Google disabled the original "Follow by Email" widget, and didn't replace it with anything similar.

Having a number of regular commenters can itself create problems. As anyone who has given a seminar or workshop will know, a few voluble individuals can silence all the other members of group, unless the seminar leader takes steps to ensure full participation. Many people need time to develop their thoughts, which may be uncertain and provisional, and will often have to be asked a direct question before summoning the courage to speak. Similarly, when visiting any blog with a well-established commentariat, it is always hard to avoid the impression that you have stumbled into a private party, with its own unspoken etiquette and rules of engagement; better to say nothing and "lurk" for a while. In any situation where one-to-one interaction with the silent majority is impractical –  I even hear of so-called "seminars" in our universities now with 200+ participants! – it's next to impossible to devise strategies that might encourage the unknown unknowns to speak up. After all, you're hardly likely to tell your best commenters to shut up for a minute and let the lurkers get a word in, when there may well be no-one else out there with anything to say, anyway.

It's clear that it's the chattier venues like Twitter/X, Threads, and newcomer Bluesky where most people are going for their social media fix, and has been for some time. They may still read a few blogs like this one, but no longer feel the need to participate as commenters. I suppose we blogging hold-outs are rather like old-fashioned charity collectors, rattling a tin on the street, in a world where the charity-conscious mainly donate via standing order and online clicks. You want actual cash, you say? I'm sorry, but who carries loose change in their pockets these days?

In the end, it's pretty obvious why the newer "share, link, and follow" social media have succeeded at the expense of blogs. Let's set aside any condescending remarks about "TL;DR", appropriate as that seems to be for so many of us now. No, it's clear that fewer and fewer people are bothering to share their views with just one self-obsessed stranger in the quiet cul-de-sac of their blog – too much like sharing your opinions about Life, the Universe, and Everything down at the local pub – when there is the very real possibility of being read and followed (or at least me-too "liked") by dozens, hundreds, if not thousands of like-minded strangers; why, you might even attract the attention of Someone Famous, or that crucial mover and shaker who will advance your career to the next level. There's no getting round the fact that a blog is more like a funnel than a megaphone: same shape, but a radically different device.

So I keep thinking I've almost talked myself into signing up for Bluesky. But then I think: just 250 characters? Hmm... Unfortunately, I seem to need to write, and to write at length, more than I need even to be read or "liked". Or, indeed, famous: it goes without saying, obviously, that the massive, world-wide fame and notoriety that would inevitably and instantly follow if I were to join up would seriously disrupt my daily routine and lifestyle. I'm pretty stuck in my ways, now, and to back into the spotlight I seem to have evaded so well so far in my 70 years on the planet would be an intolerable inconvenience. Garn, clear orff, 'fore I sets the dogs on yer! 

Seriously, though, folks... Fewer comments than previously? Not a problem as far as I'm concerned. You are reading this, and that's good enough for me. But, please: don't feel you have to come up with some comment, just to prove me wrong... As John "Cockney" Keats said of poetry, if it comes not as naturally as leaves to a tree, me old china, it had better not come at all...

15 comments:

Martin said...

Mike, I’ve given some thought to the question of comment drop off. Obviously the rise of social media platforms has had an impact, but I also think that bloggers themselves have a tendency toward migration. When Blogger went through a particularly glitchy phase and rumours of its imminent demise were swirling, I exported my content to Wordpress. I was happy there for a year or two, before giving up blogging altogether. Enter Substack. At first I thought this was a platform for journos only, but then a friend encouraged me to check it out. I was pleasantly surprised to find a few old comrades sitting comfortably there, so decided to join them. My content it free to read, although one or two ‘professional’ friends actually make money from their efforts. Worth investigating?

Mike C. said...

Martin,

Yes, I've noticed Substack, and it does have some useful features -- being able to have subscribers, for example -- but in the end I can't see how it differs from a blog, really, and the idea of charging people to read my posts is hilarious!
A tutor at my old college runs one, which is well-written and full of fascinating stuff, but he still only gets a tiny handful of comments and likes. He might as well be on Blogger TBH.
Sooner or later, I bet they'll start charging for different bands of features, too, just as Issuu now does.

Mike

Bruno said...

Mike,
Long time reader but first comment here. It is impossible to comment without using a Google account. Notwithstanding Google’s reluctance to accept an hotmail account, they do not accept InPrivate mode, they forced me to accept their cookies, most of them having a life span far greater than the session, and they immediately spammed me for more private information to “complete my profile”.
Anyway, I think I had to explain you why I’m silent :)

That said, as the tracking is done anyway, I really appreciate your blog, content wise and language. I’m a non native English speaker and I particularly enjoy your style. When (almost) everything written today is dull and flat, as we would say in French, it is a real pleasure to read you.

The length limit on Bluesky, or Twitter, is not really a problem. Many announce their new blog post with a link, and follow comments, there.

Please continue writing.

Cheers,

Bruno
Ps: Andrew Molitor’s blog is easier to comment on.

Mike C. said...

Thanks, Bruno, it's much appreciated! I'm sorry about the Google account, but it's the only effective way to keep the spammers out.

Of course, there's rather less Molitor these days, and the guy has much lower standards... ;)

Mike

Pritam Singh said...

Hello Mike

Now, you've compelled me to break cover and crawl out of my cosy 'lurker' cocoon. 😃
You know very well how time consuming shooting film is; developing, scanning, editing, blah-blah... then there's all the cycling (in good weather) and long distance travel etc. Excuses, excuses.
Truth be told, I've been reading your blog regularly, regardless of where I have been. And enjoyed it thoroughly.
Probably just the silent type, perfect candidate for the lurker list!
Keep it up, Sir!
Best wishes.

Mike C. said...

Hi Pritam,

Good to hear from you: carry on lurking!

Mike

davidly said...

There was also wide- enough spread blegalgazing regarding the death of blogging in general. I think bloggers and commenters alike lost interest for a number of reasons, not least their having, as you say, migrated toward social media's more promising centers of dopamine rush, where at least a 'like' could leave one feeling less alone, should no one otherwise reply to their comment, but also the fact that the novelty of being able to contribute to a virtual conversation simply wore off.

I've tended to comment less frequently as time went on due to finding myself wishing I'd kept a comment to myself, like the opposite of afterwit. In this regard, I suspect took time and experience for people to learn to take advantage of the virtual space's "do I really need to send this comment" feature.

With this one giving me another chance, I forewent the temptation on your previous entry to express the desire to read your analysis of Frost at Midnight. I stuck myself in STEM. If only life lent itself to going back to school to get that humanities degree.

Mike C. said...

davidly,

All true, I think, the novelty factor especially. My entry into blogging was commenting on photographer Alec Soth's blog around 2006 which was, as you say, mainly enjoyable for the novel sense of being in conversation with someone worth talking to but who you'd never meet. Also true that I've left comments elsewhere that I've regretted...

If you read "Frost at Midnight" btw it shouldn't need any analysis, though a few notes help (dead sister, etc.)

Mike

mistah charley, ph.d. said...

I read here from time to time, and have commented at least three times, though not recently that I recall. Previous commenter "davidly" and I are both fans of another blogger, who has your blog in his sidebar and once in a while directly mentions a recent post of yours - like this one. Thinking of referring to myself and my process of blog reading and occasional posting as constituting an identity as a "wayfaring acquaintance", I asked ChatGPT if the "Wayfaring Stranger" song might be known in the U.K. It replied:

"Yes, the song 'Wayfaring Stranger' is familiar to many listeners in the UK, especially among those interested in folk music and traditional songs. This spiritual folk song has its roots in American music, but its themes of hardship, faith, and journey resonate universally, making it popular across various countries, including the UK.

Over the years, "Wayfaring Stranger" has been covered by numerous artists, including British performers and internationally renowned musicians whose work has reached UK audiences. Artists like Johnny Cash, Emmylou Harris, and Ed Sheeran (who incorporated elements of the song into his music) have introduced it to wider audiences. It also frequently appears in movie soundtracks, television shows, and live performances, contributing to its familiarity in the UK.

Its haunting melody and emotional depth continue to captivate listeners worldwide, including in the UK folk and Americana music scenes."

[end of quote from ChatGPT]

Kent Wiley said...

What's true for the writing of The Hat is true for our pursuit of photography. Contrary to that Mothers of Invention album title, we're hardly doing this to make a buck (for the international audience, that's $$$) - or the likes . It's simply something that has to be done, audience or no.

Ha! Look at those stats for "No Comment"!

Mike C. said...

Thanks, ChatGPT, good to know!

Mike

Mike C. said...

Kent,

Exactly. As for the stats, it's calmed down a bit now, currently at 475, with overall figure for the last 7 days 4.9K... I notice Singapore and Hong Kong figure prominently. Must be robot hot spots!

Mike

Stephen said...

Mike, I like blogs and used to read quite a lot of different ones before Twitter etc. made them disappear. There aren't many photography-related ones left that are worth reading (Yours being one that is, of course).
The veracity of web stats is difficult to assess, as you say.
BTW, I have an account at Medium — they display images well and there's a ready-made audience. It's not quite the same as having your own blog, though (Medium is a bit cliquey and lots of the content is too saccharine for my liking).
Cheers.

Mike C. said...

Stephen,

I think people probably don't see this as a photography blog any more, if they ever did -- it's interesting how often my writing is mentioned in comments, but how rarely the pictures. I don't mind, they're two sides of what I do in retirement, neither adding anything to my income, but both adding immensely to my pleasure in life... Can't complain!
Mike

Bruno said...

Yes, indeed, and it is mostly you posting there lately :).
On your last comment that "...often my writing is mentioned in comments, but how rarely the pictures.", I should have mentioned that I like your photographic approach. You even pushed me to start doing "archeological photography" with 20 years old digital camera. It was fun, and surprisingly useable. I intend now to revisit a place where I did some of my very first pictures, when I was 12. The pictures and negatives are long lost but I remember 2. I'll retake them with the same camera, and see what else I can do 56 years later.